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Rick Warren in Little Rock Part II: James Sundquist response to Keith Jackson charges, Little Rock, AR"
from James Sundquist

Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:50 PM

Dear Dave,

You should be apprised of the following at Church at Rock Creek in Little Rock.

Kindest regards in Christ,

James Sundquist
Director
Rock Salt Publishing

Subject: James Sundquist response to Keith Jackson charges

Dear Mr. Keith Jackson,

I will remove you from my mailing list regarding my letter of appeal and warning to you re. Rick Warren's Celebrate Recovery. However, I will continue to mark and expose you, Pastor Marks Evans, Pastor Greg Kirksey (who has virtually defiled what the Bible teaches on the subject "Fear of the Lord"), your church, and Presidential Candidate Mike Huckabee (who attends and promotes your church), as false teachers and promoters of a false teacher (Rick Warren) on the national Christian radio programs where I am a frequent guest as well as in print discernment newsletters and journal for which I am a contributing writer.

I would not write you again anyway, because with this letter, I will have complied with Titus 3:10 and the Apostle Paul's commandment to name names.

I further suggest that you post on your church website where you have all listed your email and invited inquiries that you make a loud and clear statement that you only invite letters and inquiries that agree with you and that you will either not respond to correction or rebukes which document that your teachings are not biblical. You should also add a statement that makes it clear that you will not reason from Scripture to refute anyone who challenges you.

So, is there a Celebrate Recovery class for all of the saints across the U.S., and Canada and throughout the world who have been destroyed by Rick Warren's programs and purpose-driven out of their churches because they would not sign his unbiblical covenants and/or were simply good Bereans and searched the Scriptures to determine if Rick Warren's teachings were true?

My final warning to you:
2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jo 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Sincerely in Christ,

James Sundquist
Director
Rock Salt Publishing

----- Original Message -----

From: Keith Jackson
To: RockSalt
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 10:51 AM
Subject: RE: re Celebrate Recovery

Please take me off your email list. I disagree with your point of view and T.A. McMahon's and will not read anything else you send out. Celebrate Recovery has worked and is working for hundreds of people, including me, that meet here every week.
Keith Jackson

From: RockSalt [mailto:rock.salt@verizon.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 1:17 PM
To: Keith Jackson
Subject: re Celebrate Recovery
Importance: High

Dear Keith Jackson,
I note that you conduct Rick Warren's Celebrate Recovery at Church at Rock Creek. There are some urgent things you need to know and perhaps are simply not aware of them.
In this regard, I appeal to you to read Dave Hunt's
Berean Call article by TA McMahon: "A Way Which Seemeth Right..."  ('THE BEREAN CALL' - October 2005)
T. A. McMahon

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. (Proverbs 14:12)

I recently attended the Celebrate Recovery Summit 2005 at Saddleback Church in Southern California. The primary purpose of the conference was to train new leaders who would return to their churches and inaugurate the Celebrate Recovery (CR) program. Saddleback's pastor, Rick Warren, describes CR as "a biblical and balanced program to help people overcome their hurts, habits, and hang-ups...[that is] based on the actual words of Jesus rather than psychological theory [emphasis added]."
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As a long-time critic of psychological counseling and 12-Steps therapies in the church (see The Seduction of Christianity and archived TBC newsletter articles and Q&As), I was pleased to have the opportunity to learn firsthand from those who are leading and/or participating in the program, to better understand what was intended in CR, and to see how it is implemented. What I learned right away was that the 3,000 or so in attendance had a tremendous zeal for the Lord and an unquestionable sincerity in desiring to help those who were struggling with habitual sin. This was my impression in all of my interactions-with individuals, in small groups, in workshop sessions, and in the general worship sessions. The CR Summit lasted three (eight- to nine-hour) days and covered nearly every aspect of Celebrate Recovery.

Nevertheless, other thoughts ran through my mind as I reviewed whether or not I had missed something significant in my previous criticisms of 12-Steps recovery therapies. Is Celebrate Recovery's 12-Steps program truly different--that is, biblical and balanced rather than psychological"-as Rick Warren believes? Furthermore, is he simply naïve when he says in his "Road to Recovery" series of sermons, "In 1935 a couple of guys formulated, based upon the Scriptures, what are now known as the classic twelve steps of Alcoholics Anonymous and used by hundreds of other recovery groups. Twenty million Americans are in a recovery group every week and there are 500,000 recovery groups. The basis is God's Word [emphasis added]." Or is Celebrate Recovery another alarming example of a way that seems right to a man but one that is turning believers to ways and means other than the Bible to solve their sin-related problems? Let's consider these questions in light of some A.A. and 12 Steps background information.

To begin with, 12-Steps programs are not just a Saddleback Church issue. Increasing numbers of evangelical churches are sponsoring Alcoholics Anonymous (A.A.) and Narcotics Anonymous (N.A.) meetings and/or creating their own self-help groups based upon A.A.'s 12-Steps principles. Bill Wilson, one of the founders of A.A., created the 12 Steps. Wilson was a habitual drunk who had two life-hanging events that he claims helped him achieve sobriety: 1) he was (mis)informed by a doctor that his drinking habit was a disease and was therefore not his fault, and 2) he had an experience (which he viewed as spiritual enlightenment) that convinced him that only "a Power greater than" himself could keep him sober. Attempting to
understand his mystical experience, he was led into spiritism, a form of divination condemned in the Scriptures. His official biography indicates that the content of the 12-Steps principles came to him "rapidly" through spirit communication. Certainly not from God.

Celebrate Recovery began 14 years ago at Saddleback and is used in more than 3,500 churches today, making it evangelical Christianity's most prominent and widely exported 12-Steps church program. Warren considers CR to be "the center of living a purpose-driven life and building a purpose-driven church" and recently announced that Chuck Colson's Prison Fellowship would begin implementing CR in every prison where the ministry is functioning.

Celebrate Recovery is a very complex methodology that attempts to bring biblical adjustments to the 12-Steps program originated by A.A. and utilized in numerous other "addiction" recovery programs. The complexity, however, applies to the setting up and implementation of the program as well as to the strict rules that govern its execution. Although there are many problems related to "making it work," there is only space in this article to address some fundamental issues. Let's begin with the implications regarding the name of the program.

Reflecting A.A.'s influence upon CR, the term "Recovery" is significant. All those in A.A. are "recovering" alcoholics, who, according to A.A., never completely recover. Recovery is a term that primarily denotes a process of physical healing. A.A. teaches that alcoholism is a disease for which there is no ultimate cure. Although CR rejects A.A.'s view of alcoholism as a disease and calls it sin, the title nevertheless promotes the A.A. concept in contradiction to what the Bible teaches. Sin is not something from which a believer is "in recovery." Sin is confessed by the sinner and forgiven by God. The believer is cleansed of the sin right then. "I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the LORD; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin" (Ps 32:5).

At the 2005 Celebrate Recovery Summit, every speaker introduced himself or herself in the A.A. "recovery" mode, with this "Christianized" difference: "Hi, I'm so and so.and I'm a believer in Jesus Christ who struggles with issues of (alcohol, drug, codependency, sex, or whatever) addiction." The audience then applauded to affirm the individual for overcoming the "denial" of his or her habitual sin. Not to confess some "addiction" or specific sin struggle raises suspicions of "being in denial." Throughout the three-day conference, there was never a hint from any of the speakers that anything about A.A., 12 Steps, or CR might not be biblical. Moreover, where Celebrate Recovery programs were not available, those "in recovery" were encouraged to attend A.A. or N.A. meetings.

Rick Warren, on video, reassured the Summit attendees that CR was no man-made therapy. He insisted that CR was based upon the "actual words of Jesus Christ from the eight Beatitudes, which parallel the 12 Steps" and identified his own "Higher Power: His name is Jesus Christ." I don't find "Higher Power," which is a misrepresentation of God, in the Bible. Nor can I fathom why a Bible-believing Christian would want to promote Bill Wilson's concept and methodology. Why not simply rely on what the Bible teaches?

Is God's way completely sufficient to set one free from so-called addictions? Did A.A.'s founders provide a more effective way? If so, what did the church do for the nearly 2,000 years prior to Bill Wilson's "spiritually enlightened" way to recovery? Moreover, if Wilson's method really works, why are some in the church trying to add Jesus as one's Higher Power and the Beatitudes to it? On the other hand, if the effectiveness of the 12-Steps program is questionable at best and detrimental to the gospel and to a believer's life and growth in Christ, why attempt to "Christianize" such a program? It is imperative that all believers ask themselves whether or not they truly believe that the Scriptures and the enablement of God's Holy Spirit are sufficient for "all things that pertain to life and godliness" (2 Pt 1:3). A rejection of this biblical teaching is the only possible justification for turning to ways the Bible condemns: "the counsel of the ungodly" (Ps 1:1) and "a way which seemeth right unto a man."

How dependent is Celebrate Recovery upon (with minor modifications) A.A.'s 12 Steps? Completely! Those going through CR's small group take from 12 to 16 months to complete the 12-Steps program. Many go through more than one small group and often become leaders in one while attending others. Without Bill Wilson's principles, the CR program would be reduced to a handful of misapplied Bible verses. Tragically, the most obvious biblical problem with such an approach to overcoming habitual sins seems to be dismissed by all 12-Steps advocates: the Bible never offers a by-the-numbers self-help methodology for deliverance from sin or for living a sanctified life. God's way involves obedience to His full counsel and maturity in Christ through the enablement of His Holy Spirit.

Warren's CR program views the 12 Steps as generally compatible with Scripture yet seeks out verses that appear to biblically reinforce each step. In doing so, however, scriptural interpretations are forced upon concepts that either have no direct relationship to the Bible or that pervert the true interpretation of the scripture intended to support the particular step. CR's attempt to use the Beatitudes as biblical principles for overcoming habitual sins, for example, is a serious distortion of the
Word of God.

Search as you may, you'll find no commentaries that even hint at such a use of the Beatitudes. Why? Simply because the Beatitudes all have to do with seeking the Kingdom of God and nothing to do with solving an individual's so-called addictions. Again, why try to legitimize from Scripture Wilson's "ungodly counsel" from "seducing spirits [bringing] doctrines of devils" (1 Tim 4:1)?

Consider, for example, the "Beatitudes-justified" first three steps: (1) We admitted we were powerless over our addictions and compulsive behaviors.  That our lives had become unmanageable. "Happy are those who are spiritually poor." (2) Came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. "Happy are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted." (3) Made a decision to turn our life and our will over to the care of God (modified from A.A.'s "God as we understood Him"). "Happy are the meek." This is more than a misdirected attempt to sanctify (in Rick Warren's words) Bill Wilson's "biblically vague" 12 Steps.
2  It both abuses the Scriptures and reinterprets Wilson.

In these foundational steps, Wilson is summarizing his beliefs based upon his experiences as a "recovering alcoholic." He felt "powerless" because he believed alcoholism was an incurable disease that consequently made his life unmanageable." Since he couldn't "cure" himself (although millions do without 12-Step or other therapies!), he put his faith in "a power greater than ourselves," whom he called God, and "understood" Him by fabricating Him out of beliefs discovered in his study of different religions and religious experiences. That's more than "biblically vague." It's a false religion.

So why would Celebrate Recovery or the multitudes of other Christianized 12-Steps groups try to reconcile the Word of God with Wilson's definitely erroneous and demonically inspired methodology? The deluded response is: "Because it works!" But does it?

Pragmatism is the fuel that powers "the way that seems right" and governs much of what is being lauded in the church today. Not only is this unbiblical, but too often there is nothing beyond enthusiastic testimonials to support the claim that something actually works. The reality for the 12-Steps program of A.A. and N.A. is that there is no research evidence proving that they are more effective than other treatments. Furthermore, the most extensive studies related to "addictions" conclude that most drug and alcohol abusers recover without any psychotherapeutic treatment or self-help therapies.
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The many problems inherent within a Christianized 12-Steps program - and particularly Celebrate Recovery - are too numerous for this brief article. Yet, consider these observations: CR is highly promoted as completely biblical and not psychological, yet the key speakers for CR Summit 2005 were clinical psychologists Drs. John Townsend and Henry Cloud. Psychologist David Stoop, the editor of Life Recovery Bible (CR participants' mandatory paraphrase Bible, polluted with psychotherapy commentary), is a favorite speaker at Saddleback's CR Large Group meetings.  The CR leadership manual advises, "Have Christian psychotherapists volunteer their time to help instruct and support your leaders."
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CR's entire program content is marbled with psychobabble such as this "solution" from its Adult Children of the Chemically Addicted group's dogmas: "The solution is to become your own loving parent....You will recover the child within you, learning to accept and love yourself."
5 This is biblical?! Honoring the psychologically contrived "disorder" of co-dependency, CR's Co-dependency and Christian Living group made this humanistic and biblically false statement: "Jesus taught....A love of self forms the basis for loving others." 6

A.A.'s 12-Steps methodology, along with its anti-biblical psychotherapeutic concepts and practices permeates Celebrate Recovery, yet no one at the Summit with whom I spoke seemed concerned. CR's small group meetings are the antithesis of the way the Bible instructs mature believers to help those young or struggling in the faith to grow. Pastors and elders can be small group leaders, but not for teaching purposes. No leader may biblically instruct or correct but may only affirm the "transparency" of the participant sharing his feelings. "Cross-talk," or comments by others, are prohibited to allow the freest expression possible. Much of this "expression" reinforces psychotherapeutic myths. The two-hour meetings usually open with the spiritually anemic Serenity Prayer and the recitation of the 12 Steps. Leaders are drawn from those who have completed one or more 12-Step groups. Some leaders work through one "addiction" in a small group while leading another group. It's not unusual for a leader to put in eight to ten hours in CR functions per week, every week. Serious Bible study and discipleship are not part of the Celebrate Recovery "biblical" emphasis.

Let no one think that presenting these critical concerns about Celebrate Recovery in any way lessens the biblical obligation (Gal 6) of the church to minister to those struggling with habitual sin. The issue is not whether we should minister, but how we should minister: man's way or God's way? Man's way, or a mixture of biblical teaching and ungodly counsel, is contrary to God's way. Man's way leads to death. Applying Scripture to man's way leads to a slower death, akin to what would result when pure water is added to a toxic drinking fountain. We desperately need to take heed to God's admonition through the Prophet Jeremiah: "For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water" (Jer 2:13).
TBC

Endnotes

1. Celebrate Recovery Summit 2005 Handbook, 61.

2. Celebrate Recovery Senior Pastor Support Video, 2003.

3. The Harvard Mental Health Letter, Vol. 16, No. 12, 1-4; See also:

www.stats.org/issuerecord.jsp?issue=true&ID=8. [link no longer works - 2008]

4. Celebrate, 31.

5. Ibid., 342.

6. Ibid., 350.

Sincerely in Christ,

James Sundquist
Director
Rock Salt Publishing


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Rick Warren continues to deceive the unwary!


Rick Warren - related deceivers - 1!

Thursday, July 19, 2007 10:20 PM

Subject: Re: Rick Warren in Little Rock Part II: James Sundquist response to Keith Jackson charges, Little Rock, AR

Dear James

… Your 12-Steps expose reminded me of a chapter in Ronnie O'Sullivan's biography.

I don't know if you play pool or snooker, but Ronnie is a phenomenon and almost certainly the most talented cue-sportsman ever - nearly as good playing left-handed as right-handed.

But his father (who made his money from pornographic magazines) was jailed for 18-years for a murder he claims was self-defence and young Ronnie, without a strong stabilising influence at home, was smoking cannabis from his early teens.

This has made him a real head-case. Although a 3-times world snooker champion he became a spiritual mess who is now constantly on prescribed drugs to keep himself from panic attacks, depression, anger, self-hate etc.

Sadly, instead of receiving Jesus, he was sent to 'The Priory' to follow the 'Twelve-Step Programme of Narcotics Anonymous' and wrote in his biography:

'I think the Twelve-Step Programme is a kind of religious thing, but they would call it spiritual rather than religious. I told them I was an agnostic and there was no way that I'd get religious about this, and they said, 'You don't have to be religious. It's just about believing in a universal power or living the spiritual life. It's about being honest with yourself and the answers are within - it's at a gut level, a feeling level, and sometimes you might say yes to something that you may mean to say no to and in doing that you are not being honest with yourself. ........ you have to accept that a power greater than yourself could restore you to sanity - so that's about opening your mind to something greater than you .... you have to decide to turn your life and your will over to that higher power: so, I decided, I'm going to do what they say in these rooms because its obviously working for the people here and they are getting well.' [excerpts from p.162-3 of 'RONNIE - the autobiography of Ronnie O'Sullivan' - The Sunday Times bestseller by Orion paperbacks, 2003; the emphasis in this passage appear in the book!]

You'd think any Christian reading these words would also see the obvious deception.

Even Ronnie could see what they were offering, but eventually fell for the same line: 'I'm going to do what they say in these rooms because its obviously working for the people here and they are getting well.'

If God had allowed the witch of Endor to bring a positive 'workable' message to Saul would that have made it alright to consult 'mediums' - despite Saul's previous obedience in destroying these occultists?

'If it works, use it' seems to be the order of the day - but, of course, anyone following Warren's use of The Message (as quite a few in local churches here in Cardiff are now doing because of the Purpose Driven deception) is hardly, if ever, reading the Word of God anyway!

Page 287-9 of Ronnie's book reveals how 'Prince' Naseem, former bantamweight and featherweight world boxing champion (jailed in 2006 for 15 months for dangerous driving which led to another driver being seriously injured, he was released after 4 months after self-harming with razor blades!), tried to persuade him to accept Islam - and obviously got him to recite the short creed that 'makes' you a Muslim: 'Ronnie O'Sullivan converts to Islam', screamed the tabloid headlines.'

Ronnie writes: 'To be honest, I didn't have a clue what was happening, but when they told me to repeat some words after them it seemed rude not to, so I did. The upshot was that I was surrounded by hundreds of people kissing and hugging me, who seemed to think I had converted to Islam. But it was news to me. And if I gave them that impression, I'm sorry - I certainly didn't mean to. ... I decided to put out a statement to clear the air, and explain that I had plenty of Muslim friends and had attended a mosque with them, but no, I wasn't a Muslim myself. At least, not intentionally. ... although I'm interested in all different spiritual practices, I could never see myself becoming a devout follower of one religion. To me it doesn't matter what religion anybody is so long as their hearts in the right place. I think the nearest thing I've got to a religion is the NA. That's given me my own faith. There's no tough set of rules, and it's very forgiving, but I'm happy with the progress I've made, whether it's through meditation, going to meetings or going to the gym.]

Quite a few contemporary church leaders would agree with a lot, or all, that Ronnie writes.

But even Ronnie recognises that going into a mosque and reciting some Arabic words doesn't make you a Muslim (does it even make you a 'good' person?).

Just as 'going into a stable doesn't make you a horse, anymore than going into a church makes you a Christian' (John Wesley)!

Many blessings in Jesus

David (for TCE)

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