'Replies from Mormons'

3. Desrae Gibby (cont.)

9th May, 2004

(Continued from page 336)


The Mormon 'god' is a god of flesh and bones
(Doctrine and Covenants, 130:22), whereas the God of the Bible is an Invisible Spirit (John 4:24, Hebrews 11:27).

The Mormon 'god' was once a man
(Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345), while the God of the Bible was always God from everlasting to everlasting (Psalm 90:2).

Mormon dogma says man is saved 'by grace .. after all we can do' (2 Nephi 25:23); the gospel of the Bible says we are saved
by grace alone because of the righteousness of Christ.

In light of clear research and quotations from Mormon authorities and their writings, the gospel of Mormonism is seen to be far different from the Gospel of the Bible.

When set in the proper context, the same scriptures that Mormons believe support their beliefs crush the very foundation of their church.

The claims of Mormonism do not withstand investigation when examined in the clear light of the Bible. And not only does the Bible destroy their claims of 'truthfulness', but the Mormon history of contradictions and censorship proves to the sanctified Christian that Mormonism cannot be of God.

Since Mormonism cannot pass the test of
1 John 4:1, its 'truthfulness' should not be pursued any longer.

Compare 'testimonies'?!


You write:  As I write to you I hear the apostles of our church bearing profound, spiritual testimony that Jesus is the Christ.  He says his whole life is given purpose because he knows that Jesus is the Saviour.  Doesn't this sound like he has been born again spiritually.

TCE: Would you agree then, that the leaders of all other sects and cults, such as the Jehovah's Witnesses, who say that Jesus was  created as Michael the archangel, which is clearly un-Scriptural nonsense, but no more than the Mormon heresy that Satan was the brother of the Lord Jesus Christ, are also born again?  The truth is that these men all concede that their Jesus is a Christ and a Saviour - but none of them would admit to the Biblical Jesus.  This is why Scripture declares (1 Corinthians  12:1-3):

Now about spiritual gifts, brothers, I do not want you to be ignorant. 2 You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. 3 Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, 'Jesus be cursed,' and no one can say, 'Jesus is Lord,' except by the Holy Spirit.

In saying that they had been 'led astray to dumb (mute) idols,' Paul implies that the Corinthians had experienced the effects of evil spirits in their former pagan worship. In contrast, he now stresses the two-fold test of the presence of the Holy Spirit in a believer's life. Negatively, no person by the Spirit can curse Jesus; and positively, only by the Spirit can a person openly testify that
Jesus is Lord (v3). By this he clearly means that only a person having the Holy Spirit, i.e. born again, can say that Jesus is Lord - and the term kyrios ('Lord') is used by the Septuagint (the LXX - Greek translation of the Old Testament) to translate Jehovah (Almighty God!) in the Old Testament (cf. Matthew 16:16; John 4:2, 3, 15). In this context Paul also makes a point of illustrating the deity of Jesus and of the Holy Spirit in the use of the phrases 'Jesus is Lord' and 'Spirit of God.'   Since the Mormon leaders deny that Jesus is Almighty God (the Only Supreme God of the Universe), as do all other heterodox 'Christians' and leaders of other religions, then we can say emphatically that we do not accept for a moment that Mormons believing the doctrines of Mormonism can possibly be born again.  Do you really think that men who insult the Spirit and Lord of grace in everything from their view of Creation to the Virgin Birth can have any part of His Spirit!?

Jesus illustrated this decisively when he said (
Matthew 7:15-23):

MT 7:15 'Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.  21 'Not everyone who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23 Then I will tell them plainly, `I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

The leaders of the Mormons are false prophets and verse 23 presupposes an implicit Christology of the highest order.  Jesus Himself not only decides who enters the kingdom on the last day but also who will be banished from his presence. That He never knew these false claimants strikes a common Biblical note, viz., how close to spiritual reality one may come while knowing nothing of its fundamental reality (e.g., Balaam; Judas Iscariot, etc.;
Mark 9:38-39; 1Corinthians 13:2; Hebrews 3:14; 1John 2:19). Although 'I have nothing to do with you' is the mildest of rabbinic bans, the words used here are clearly final and eschatological in a solemn context of 'that day' and entrance into the kingdom.  Second, 'Away from me, you evildoers' is quoted from Psalm 6:8 (cf. Luke 13:27).  In the Psalm, the sufferer, vindicated by Yahweh, tells the evildoers to depart and Jesus himself links the authority of the Messianic King with the righteous Sufferer.

We have sought to answer the questions you asked.  We would like to ask you why the Mormon faith cannot answer the questions we have raised?  We challenge you to find the answers to these and the following questions.  If Mormonism is as true as it claims to be, the following should not be hard to answer:

The official version of Smith
*s 1823 encounter with an angel says he identified the angelic being as Moroni.  However, the April 15, 1842 edition of the Times and Seasons says Smith claimed the angel called himself Nephi. The 1851 edition of the Pearl of Great Price also states the angel*s name was Nephi, not Moroni.

Supporters of Joseph Smith claim that he told only one story concerning 'the First Vision' - but when you check all the Mormon accounts you find there are as many as
NINE different versions which vary considerably in content and detail.

The doctrine of polygamy was abolished In 1890 with
The Manifesto; the curse on Blacks was lifted in 1978. Why has the Mormon church changed their position on these and other issues when Alma 41:8 says, 'the decrees of God are unalterable'?

Joseph Smith taught that a man could get closer to God by following the precepts found in the
Book of Mormon (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 194). Since marriage in a Mormon temple is a requirement for exaltation, why is it that this doctrine is not taught in the Book of Mormon?

And why does this book fall to mention the plurality of gods, the word of wisdom, a heavenly mother, baptism for the dead, three degrees of glory, and other doctrines peculiar to the Mormon faith?

Can you prove that Brigham Young
did not teach that Adam was God? And if he did teach that Adam was God, you must admit he taught false doctrine - which, according to the Bible, would make him a false prophet.

If you are worshipping the God of the Bible, why does your heavenly Father know of other gods, when the God of the Bible says in
Isaiah 44:8 (and many, many other places!) that there is no God besides Him?

The Bible teaches that a true believer has the witness of the Spirit that he is saved and ready for heaven. Are you certain that if you were to die today that you would be in the presence of the Lord?

2 Nephi 25:23 says you are saved by grace 'after all you can do.'  Have you done all you can do? How do you know if you have - or have not - done all you can do?

Eternity is too long and too final to regret having taken a false prophets word for the requirements of your salvation. I urge you to verify Mormonism
*s claims with those of the Bible. Don*t trust your feelings or the experiences of others alone. Find out for yourself. Study the Word of God to discover the true condition of man and his need for a perfect Saviour. Put your trust in the completed work of Jesus Christ alone.

We thank you for taking the time to write to us Desrae, and we pray you will return to the path you were previously on - a careful examination of the Bible with 'Protestant' groups.  We will be happy to address any further queries you may have and pray that you will now understand why we would never be happy just being
'lead ... to truth' for we know that this could never make any of us 'a good person'.

In Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour


TCE

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10th May, 2004

Thank you for your response.

I know the Book of Mormon is the word of God and that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God because I have asked God these questions and he has answered in small and great ways through the spirit.

Thank you for your concern for me and for living by your convictions as a Christian.

We will both live our lives as the spirit directs us to do.

God bless you,
Desrae


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We heard nothing more from Desrae ...

Topics Discussed on pages responding to Mormonism:

Book of Mormon versus The Bible

Doctrinal Errors Resulting

Polygamy

Grace versus Works

Baptism as 'Work'

Justification by Faith Alone?

Another Christ?

Just 'Believe'?

Possessions Hinder

Faith without Works is Dead?

Salvation a Gift - not by Works!

Saved at the point of Faith!

Water Baptism-Spiritual Baptism

The Mormon Christ

Blood Atonement

Sons of (which) god-'Adam-god'?

Universal Salvation!


Mormon 'Second Chance Theology'!

You Must Be Born Again - Again?!

God vs 'council of gods on Kolob'

Polygamy - 'restoring' an error!

Mormon 'god' can only organise!

Mormon evil vs Biblical view

Tests for a 'prophet'

Mormon 'testimony' vs Facts

Compare 'testimonies'?!

Smith's Occult Activity

'Familiar Spirit' of Mormonism

My Opinion versus Your Opinion?

A Counterfeit Spirit

Wicca, 'Folk Magic' & Mormonism

LDS attack Old Testament

Jeremiah 36 exposes LDS claims

Anachronism exposing BOM

'Gilgamish Epic' vs Noah

Noah's Ark vs BOM vessels!

Polygamy - no excuse for Smith!

Confusion of Mormonism

Mormon invention when challenged

Mormon bluster when caught out!

Problem with experiential belief!

Problem with no absolutes!

Truth is as each perceives it?

Wicca & Karma & Reincarnation

'Isms' usurp God's Word

Failings of the Mormon 'gospel'

A Better Way - the True Christ!

There are errors in the Bible!

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